Remember that house will all that natural lighting?

"Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo" (thetomselleck) 10/07/2016 at 12:44 • Filed to: None

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Here’s some shots of how it turned out.

S65 > Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo 10/07/2016 at 12:46

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I would feel uncomfortable in a house with that many windows 

TheBloody, Oppositelock lives on in our shitposts. > Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo 10/07/2016 at 12:47

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That must be a bitch to heat...

EL_ULY > Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo 10/07/2016 at 12:48

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note to self: no naked cartwheels in that house in the winter

Tekamul > Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo 10/07/2016 at 12:51

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It looks very beautiful. I hate that finish on the cabinets, though. It will never not look dirty to me. 

Honeybunchesofgoats > Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo 10/07/2016 at 12:54

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Gorgeous, although I hate front doors with windows/surrounded by windows. Then you either need a security door or you have to find a double-sided deadbolt.

RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht > Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo 10/07/2016 at 12:54

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So, designed by someone from the Bauhaus school on bath salts and whose boss kept nagging him to draw something Georgian?

HammerheadFistpunch > Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo 10/07/2016 at 12:54

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why are your pictures so dark?

Spaceball-Two > Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo 10/07/2016 at 12:56

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Is that a Viking?

Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo > HammerheadFistpunch 10/07/2016 at 12:56

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No lighting in the house... was going with the aforementioned  natural light theme.

Stapleface > Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo 10/07/2016 at 12:57

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I don’t mind most of it. Although the windows going to the second story just look goofy to me. I’m not sure how I would have done it differently, but that just isn’t working for me.

That’s a hell of a nice appliance package it looks like they got there. What’s this house listing for, anyway?

duurtlang > TheBloody, Oppositelock lives on in our shitposts. 10/07/2016 at 12:57

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Depends. Proper isolation is key. Assuming this house is located in the US and it’s built like the US houses I’ve seen you do have a point.

Roundbadge > Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo 10/07/2016 at 12:57

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Maybe I’m old-fashioned, but that much primed/painted trim hurts my heart.

I get that it’s the price you pay for having your own McMansion, and that an equivalent amount of stained woodwork would cost as much as many new homes.

Having an LBM background...I guess I’m just of the opinion that the old ways are the best ways. That’s not how the business works today, though.

Highlander-Datsuns are Forever > Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo 10/07/2016 at 12:57

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The wall with 10 windows is really tastless. Everyting else I like. I’m still trying to figure out your trade, electrician? Plumber? Painter? Finish Carpentry?

Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo > Spaceball-Two 10/07/2016 at 12:58

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Huh?

jimz > Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo 10/07/2016 at 12:59

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the range.

Spaceball-Two > Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo 10/07/2016 at 12:59

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The range.

415s30 W123TSXWaggoIIIIIIo ( •_•))°) > Spaceball-Two 10/07/2016 at 12:59

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Wolf has the red knobs I think

Stapleface > Tekamul 10/07/2016 at 12:59

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I kind of feel the same way about that antique white (or whatever they call it). Another thing that bugs me about that kitchen is that the cabinets don’t go to the cieling. I know, it’s a minor quip, but it’s empty space. When I redid my kitchen 6 years ago, I made sure I got 42" cabinets that were mounted flush to the cieling. Even if my wife can’t reach the top half of the cabinets, I’m okay with that. I just put the stuff I use on the higher shelves. More storage space and no unsightly gap.

415s30 W123TSXWaggoIIIIIIo ( •_•))°) > Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo 10/07/2016 at 12:59

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I hate those windows.

Spaceball-Two > 415s30 W123TSXWaggoIIIIIIo ( •_•))°) 10/07/2016 at 13:00

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Yeah I think you’re right. Viking might be blue.

Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo > Spaceball-Two 10/07/2016 at 13:00

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Not sure

Spaceball-Two > Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo 10/07/2016 at 13:00

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I bet the guy cutting the trim around the windows was losing his mind!

415s30 W123TSXWaggoIIIIIIo ( •_•))°) > Spaceball-Two 10/07/2016 at 13:00

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My parents are red and they’ve had the wolf since the 80's

Takuro Spirit > Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo 10/07/2016 at 13:02

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Good thing it comes in bulk

ESSSIX GmbH - Accountant/Wagon Thumper > Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo 10/07/2016 at 13:06

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I love it.

vicali > Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo 10/07/2016 at 13:08

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I guess they go to bed early..

CaptDale - is secretly British > Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo 10/07/2016 at 13:09

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I HATE the stair well. The rest I like

Rico > Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo 10/07/2016 at 13:11

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Not a fan at all of the two rows of windows (why is one in the corner covered?). Just looks strange and overdone.

citizennick > Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo 10/07/2016 at 13:11

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one of my friend’s just built a new place with some big ass windows. That door is like 9 feet tall.

Tekamul > Stapleface 10/07/2016 at 13:14

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I’m torn on the cabinets thing.

My first house, the space above was boxed with drywall, no open space. Looked good, still wasted though.

My current place has open space, but it’s wired with outlets, just waiting for someone to invent something worthwhile to plug in up there.

I don’t know if I could go with the full height, my wife would resent it.

Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo > EL_ULY 10/07/2016 at 13:16

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Counterpoint: MORE naked cartwheels

Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo > citizennick 10/07/2016 at 13:16

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I don’t even have a 9' ceiling

citizennick > Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo 10/07/2016 at 13:18

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They might as well leave the scaffolding in there for when they need to change light bulbs.

Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo > Stapleface 10/07/2016 at 13:19

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1.7

facw > citizennick 10/07/2016 at 13:21

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LEDs should last a decade or so.

facw > Stapleface 10/07/2016 at 13:22

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I don’t mind all the little windows. I am bothered by the increasingly small windows in the pic above the kitchen.

unclevanos (Ovaltine Jenkins) > Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo 10/07/2016 at 13:25

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Windows 10

Stapleface > Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo 10/07/2016 at 13:27

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Damn. For 1.7 I don’t even want to know I have neighbors, let alone see their house. lol

Stapleface > facw 10/07/2016 at 13:29

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You know, I figured there had to be some functional reason for that. But if there isn’t, I agree that it is kind of weird looking. It’s almost like they ran out of windows and just had those two different sizes laying around.

notsomethingstructural > Spaceball-Two 10/07/2016 at 13:34

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Red knobs = Wolf

notsomethingstructural > Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo 10/07/2016 at 13:37

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I’d have to see the front of the house to make a final decision on the front windows, but I think they look absolutely terrible from the inside. When they’re framed like that it’s because they wanted to buy cheap factory spec units instead of a proper design, which would be custom, have a longer lead time, and be more expensive.

Those stepped windows too, what the fuck. I have a hard time believing either of these were designed by the Architect and not just thrown in by the builder to say “TONS OF LIGHT!!! EXTRA $125K!!!!” but they only paid like 6-10 grand for it. Would never buy.

shop-teacher > facw 10/07/2016 at 13:47

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If you look at the ground outside, they’re following the grade of the land up the hill. I bet it look pretty good.

shop-teacher > Stapleface 10/07/2016 at 13:48

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If you look at the ground outside the windows, the windows step up to follow the grade of the lot. It’s a nice bit of business IMO.

shop-teacher > Stapleface 10/07/2016 at 13:50

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Those are 42" cabiniets, it’s just a really high ceiling. If you look again, the cabinets go all the way up to the beams, and them inside them the ceiling goes up even farther.

shop-teacher > duurtlang 10/07/2016 at 13:52

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This one looks much better built than your average piece of garbage US home.

shop-teacher > notsomethingstructural 10/07/2016 at 13:53

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Look at the ground outside, they step up to follow the grade of the land.

shop-teacher > Roundbadge 10/07/2016 at 13:54

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My house was built in 1925, and every inch of trim was painted from day 1.

notsomethingstructural > shop-teacher 10/07/2016 at 13:55

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I get that but there are much more elegant ways to do that then with this travesty. Millwork there is terrible.

shop-teacher > Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo 10/07/2016 at 13:55

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Nice to see a place where some real carpenters did some work.

shop-teacher > notsomethingstructural 10/07/2016 at 13:57

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I wouldn’t have done it that way, but I’m not seeing any travesties. I’m seeing some pretty good carpentry work in these pics, which makes my heart happy.

facw > shop-teacher 10/07/2016 at 13:59

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Even for that I still don’t like it (though it probably looks better from the outside.)

notsomethingstructural > shop-teacher 10/07/2016 at 14:11

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The carpentry is very technically proficient. The waterfall effect is cool, I guess. I probably should have said the detailing around the units themselves is terrible. If that’s one giant, well detailed piece of glass it would be fantastic. But a picture window wouldn’t match the rest of the house (neither do these) so it would have to get worked out with the colonial grille. Or run a picture window across the top and split the bottom into a grid with 3 horizontal casements / awning windows under it. Something. The mullions are unbelievably bad for a $1.7m house.

fintail > Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo 10/07/2016 at 14:13

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Hope they don’t get a maid who doesn’t do windows - I see a lot of maintenance.

Shour, Aloof and Obnoxious > Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo 10/07/2016 at 14:25

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Is pretty. But where some may see a pretty house with much natural lighting, others see a house where you can’t hide from the snipers.

McMike > Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo 10/07/2016 at 14:37

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Free with purchase

Roundbadge > shop-teacher 10/07/2016 at 15:07

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I had written a big diatribe about today’s building practices and the cost-cutting therein which results in tracts of McMansions, but it’s not for here.

My home was built in 1927, and all of the woodwork is stained oak on the ground floor. It’s one of the reasons we chose this particular home when we did 9 years ago. It’s not a terribly expensive home either, purchased for $119K. The woodwork on the second floor is all painted, but still hardwood.

People’s tastes are their tastes. It’s good that they get what they like. I just have a feeling that glaring quality issues will pop up in less than 5 years, and that’s not something the purchaser of an almost $2 million home should have to worry about. I just think someone’s being had, here.

Ssfancyfresh > Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo 10/07/2016 at 15:22

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What does the outside of the wall with all the little windows look like?

Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo > Ssfancyfresh 10/07/2016 at 15:36

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Couldn’t get a good shot. Probably lots of little white squares on the contrasting dark blue exterior paint.

Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo > Stapleface 10/07/2016 at 15:37

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Location, location, location -- if you’re into that sort of thing.

Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo > notsomethingstructural 10/07/2016 at 15:38

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Technically proficient is the best kind of proficient.

Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo > notsomethingstructural 10/07/2016 at 15:41

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It’s still about costs, bottom line. Once window glass gets above a certain cut size, the prices can jump dramatically. Often cheaper to break them up or decrease the size. There’s also the psychology of the homebuyer. Unless your facing a beautiful sunset, most everyone prefers small windows at ground level, because of security/privacy concerns. I’m not saying it makes sense, just saying it’s there.

Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo > Stapleface 10/07/2016 at 15:42

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Another option is to just build down a sheetrock soffit so the cabinets are fully useful and you get no negative space. I would prefer cabints to the ceiling.

Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo > Highlander-Datsuns are Forever 10/07/2016 at 15:44

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No, no, and no.

shop-teacher > Roundbadge 10/07/2016 at 15:44

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There’s a big difference between the quality of construction and changing tastes. My only point was that stained vs. painted has vacillated back and forth over the years, lots of old homes had painted trim from the word go. Paint has gone in and out of style for centuries. It’s even believed that the Parthenon was once, perhaps originally, very elaborately painted.

My dad is a contractor, I grew up working for him every school break from about age 13. He mostly does additions and remodeling, so I’ve worked on lots of houses of all ages. The common theme among them all: most of them are built like crap. Structurally though, modern homes are far superior to old homes. Old homes always had undersized joists, rafters, beams and headers. Sometimes they were radically undersized, if they had any headers at all ... looking at you my-stupid-house. The foundations were questionable, sill bolts were non-existent, and everything was crooked, out of square, and out of level. What older homes have going for them are some beautiful materials that are simply too expensive for all but the most lavish homes these days. My own house, and the 1905ish bungalow I grew up in are perfect examples. The frames are made from beautiful old growth Douglas Fir 2x4s, back when they were 1-3/4 x 3-3/4, which were assembled completely out of whack by a bunch of drunken Irishmen (back when they were the ones “taking our jobs”) with no headers at all over the windows or doors. My floors are beautiful quarter-sawn white oak, which at different points in the house are over an inch out of level because the foundations of the bump-outs are nothing but two pathetic little piers.

The average modern home is indeed built like a pile of garbage by people who don’t care, but my experience has shown me that this is nothing new. I’m seeing good solid finish carpentry in this particular home. They’ve made aesthetic choices I wouldn’t have made, but what they’ve done looks well done.

notsomethingstructural > Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo 10/07/2016 at 15:51

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I agree with you on the psychology, but it’s also a $1.7m house. If they can’t find an extra $2,000 to get a real window that was built to fit there instead of stock units and butt mullions, the other part of the psychology is I’m not spending $1.7m on that house because I have no idea what else they cheaped out on. Especially because I don’t think any architect would design those windows. If they didn’t follow the plans there, why would I be sure they followed the structural drawings and used metal joists instead of drywall framing?

Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo > notsomethingstructural 10/07/2016 at 16:04

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But it’s not 1.7 because of the perceived quality; it’s 1.7 because of the location and size only. It’s a total sellers market here.

notsomethingstructural > Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo 10/07/2016 at 16:10

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So it’s already established it’s a giant hunk of shit with nice appliances is what you’re saying?

Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo > notsomethingstructural 10/07/2016 at 16:20

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No, I’m not saying any of that. Just because you don’t like something doesn’t make it shitty...

CalzoneGolem > Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo 10/07/2016 at 16:27

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All those little windows looks great but what a pain to clean.

notsomethingstructural > Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo 10/07/2016 at 16:59

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I’m not trying to be obstinate here, I just don’t think we’re on the same page. I mentioned at $1.7m I’d expect better, you said it wasn’t a high-quality build, and I made a joke about it. Is it $1.7m because it’s a nice, well put-together house, or isn’t it?

Taste is subjective. That’s fine. My concern is that there’s no way that’s anything but the cheapest stuff they could put in there. That should set off huge red flags. Would you buy a used car where the seller said it just got the engine replaced and handed you paperwork saying it was a 110k engine from a junkyard? Of course not - partly because you don’t want to run the risk on a junkyard motor, but partly because you don’t want to buy a car from the guy who’s going to stuff the cheapest engine he can find in the car.

Now, I get that windows aren’t engines, but they might be, like, the alternator, in the sense that if it breaks you’re still stranded. So what do you do if you’re looking at a car with an alternator stamped USA AUTO PART OF BEIJING? You could spend $30k on a dealer-maintained low mileage BMW or on a Ferrari with a salvage title. Neither is wrong, but you might expect the alternator in a salvage Ferrari, I know I wouldn’t in a car that’s advertised as dealer-maintained and I would walk away...

Just like I wouldn’t see those windows in a house that’s a high quality fit and finish. You just don’t! There’s other telltales too. Look at the breakfast nook - there is ONE outlet on that whole wall. There is ONE outlet in the whole alcove by those windows. If the ceilings are as high as they look, there aren’t enough pot lights in the stair. If they’re cheap on the windows and electrical, which you can see, then they’re cheap on the roofs, cheap on the foundations, cheap on the flooring (e.g., 1mm veneer engineered flooring instead of 4-5mm which can’t be refinished)... which you can’t see. They have much, much more incentive to be cheap on the stuff you can’t see and is extremely expensive to fix.

These windows are a tell-tale that the house is built cheap. I am telling you this because it is my profession. Most buyers look at things like appliances and are disappointed when the actually really expensive stuff goes bad, so the kitchens and appliances are what get attention from the builder. But I am telling you this - I would not buy this house strictly because of the windows (and confirmed by the outlets now) because of the shit I guarantee is waiting behind those finishes.

Roundbadge > shop-teacher 10/07/2016 at 17:32

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One thing I will say is that, structurally, homes built today are built well with engineered wood and more attention paid to building codes. It’s also a lot easier to do that when wall sections, roof & floor trusses, joists, etc... are made in factories instead of on the job site. It’s the things that happen after that I tend to have a problem with. Granted, the finish carpentry does appear to be of fine quality.

I just question the choices offered by the builder to the customer. It’s similar in concept to the junk offered by big box stores, cheapened to maximize profits while advertised as ‘better’ to the consumer. In this case, it’s the home builder taking the place of the big box store.

I do take your point, regarding changing tastes.

citizennick > facw 10/07/2016 at 18:42

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Oh I know. They did have to replace one already but it was hopefully just a faulty one.

XJDano > Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo 10/08/2016 at 10:50

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The adjacent wall to the 10 window wall, is that an opening to another room?

Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo > XJDano 10/08/2016 at 11:45

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Si

gmporschenut also a fan of hondas > Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo 10/12/2016 at 23:40

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i find cathedral ceilings to be such a waste of space.